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Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: KalsolarUK on November 07, 2007, 01:38:27 PM
I only made one tune with MTV music generator 2, mainly because in many ways I felt that the program was a backwards step. It felt more restrictive, the note effects were gone and the video making aspect was just awful to get to grips with. It was so counter-intuitive to use on the video front. As for MTV MG3.... oh dear... now that really was a waste of money.  
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: Stair on November 07, 2007, 02:35:53 PM
Yep I agree on this, I didn't like the fact that the song arranger sequencer scrolled vertically instead of horrizontally. The sound quallity was generally better and warmer than Music 2000 but not as tight during playback. I don't think I ever finished making a track with this program.

I give it a 4/10
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 07, 2007, 02:59:33 PM
Yeah the vertical scrolling looked weird, like the music 3000 one. I never tried the program much though, did MTVMG2 had more sound samples and did it had reverb effects at least?

That said MTVMG3 is probably the worst of all, because you had to base your songs on specific styles, which were one of the 10 featured artist by MTV music television. Basically MG3 was more a game meant for DJ's and arrangers/remixers, not for producers like us. To me it seemed like this program was meant as an advertisement for the 10 artists featured in it.

Is Music 3000 any good? It was released here as Digital Hitz Factory but I never had the chance to find it and try it
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: Stair on November 07, 2007, 05:14:22 PM
Yep MTV Generator 3 has to be the worst of them all, it's just another one of those sample based arranging programs like ejay.
Music 3000 for PS2 is quite good, it's got 16,000 instrument samples, 20 different studio effects and 64 channels and came with a USB sampler that you can use to sample about 12 seconds of audio from an external source.
The overall sound quallity is really good but there are many bugs and glitches. i.e If you have too many riffs in your song, some of them get missed out during play back. Play back is generally not very tight at all and some riffs sound out of sync with the beat.
Fortunately the arranger can be customised to be horrizontal or vertical and theres a great deal of customization for other aspects of the program.
Overall you can make some seriously creative tunes, shame about the glitches though.

I think Music 2000/MTV MG is a lot better.
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 07, 2007, 05:19:27 PM
Seems like Jester isn't too keen on Beta-testing... because even Music 2000 had glitches too, like how note effects won't get played when more than one is used at once and memory leaks (psone memory not getting fully cleared even if you optimize sample list and remove unused riffs) but that one can be remedied by saving on memory card, clearing all song/music/video/data, then reloading the song again. It doesn't have that many bugs though, just more than any other playstation games around. It's still my favourite console game ever made though :D

I heard Music 3000 was also very hard to use, was it true?
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: Stair on November 07, 2007, 06:41:17 PM
No not really, it's simular to Music 2000 but the overall lay-out is different. I think I made my first track within two weeks of buying it.
It not too hard to use.
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 07, 2007, 07:16:48 PM
Idk I may try to find a copy on Amazon here but they sells MTV MUsic Generator for $70 now so much it is rare  :blink:
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: KalsolarUK on November 07, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
The best place to find these programs at a good price is in the bargain buckets and games stores. Although PS1 games are disappearing fast from these. You can often pick up a copy on ebay cheaply if you keep a eye out for them.
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 07, 2007, 10:20:25 PM
I've been checking the local stores that sells old games here for 4 years and never saw any Music making program here except once when i saw mtv music generator 3. THey are so rare x.x I am lucky to have got mine in 2002
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: Stair on November 08, 2007, 01:02:52 PM
I see second hand copies of Music 3000 occassionally, usually priced around £10 ($20). But they will only work on the pal region 2 Playstation2.

Keep looking on ebay though ; )
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 08, 2007, 03:08:04 PM
Well I don't trust ebay much, cuz i heard about lot of people not getting the stock at all even after paying for it.

Btw I just found MTV MUsic Generator 1 for $69.95 on Amazon.ca O_O and I saw a copy of MTV Music Generator 2 for $119.95 :blink:

has the games became that much rare to make prices raise so high here?

Anyway I'm gonna look for digital hitz factory, it is the american version of Music 3000
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: Stair on November 08, 2007, 10:29:53 PM
$119.95??? wow!!! I bought another copy of Music 2000 for £1 in a bargain bin a few years ago. $119.95 that's crazy.

I think the full name is 'Funk master flex's Digital hitz factory', thats the US version of Music 3000.

Here I found it on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B...94561176&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B0000E32YD/ref=dp_olp_2/026-6651927-0238045?ie=UTF8&qid=1194561176&sr=8-1)
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: KalsolarUK on November 08, 2007, 11:15:49 PM
I managed to get a copy of Music 2000 / MTV MG for £2.99 (6$) recently on ebay as a backup copy. I saw one in a games store for the same price a week beforehand and also a copy of the original Music Generator program. They soon disappeared off the shelves though.  
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: Stair on November 08, 2007, 11:41:57 PM
Yeah it's always good to have back up copy.
The original Music generator, that brings back some memories. It was officially endorsed by Judge Jules if I remember correctly.
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 09, 2007, 12:40:10 AM
When I bought MTV Music Generator it was $14.99 or $19.99 IIRC. But over here old games prices increase drastically as they get more rare. For example, Final Fantasy III cartridge for the SNES may cost $60 while you can get the same game bundled with FInal Fantasy V on the PSOne for $24.95 or for GBA at $34.95

This is crazy how we get ripped when buying rare stuff sometimes  :blink:  
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on November 12, 2007, 09:13:28 PM
in relation to mtvmg2... i use this programme all the time. before this i used music 2000 which was awesome. when switching to mtvmg2 i too was a bit confused with the vertical scrolling and very annoyed with the lack of note effects that were awesome on music 2000. also there is no world view.
but after a few months 'settling in' i found mtvmg2 to be awesom-er! there are more samples to use and i found the filters in the sample editor make up for the lack of note effects. also being a ps2 game there is more memory space to save and more channels to use. i have made better tracks on this game than on music 2000.
although not perfect i think mtvmg2 is a slight step up from music 2000 the same as music 3000 is a slight step up from mtvmg2.
but at the end of the day all the ps music programmes are awesome and all deserve love and respect!
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on November 12, 2007, 09:16:02 PM
also i can get music 3000 in the uk off ebay for about 15 quid. def look it up if you can its a great programme. it has the same samples as music 2000, mtvmg2 and loads more. also the sound quality is better. check it out
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 13, 2007, 05:13:27 AM
I think they may have decided to remove the note effects because they were too buggy in MTVMG1 or because of the filters in the sample editor. I have a copy ordered from amazon anyway, I just hope there is a good PS2 emulator somewhere so I dont have to move my bro's PS2 to my bedroom czu he will not like it x.x


Maybe I should just sell my ps1 and get a ps2 too cuz my PS1 is a bit annoying sometimes since it's the small one and the CD door open by itself sometimes if not closed tightly
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 16, 2007, 02:14:37 AM
MTV Music Generator 2 finally arrived from amazon

I will mess around with it when I get some time but I would like to find a good ps2 emu that run it so i can do my stuff on the PC instead so It's easier to record
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: 147 crew on December 19, 2007, 04:43:35 AM
The only thing i'll say about MUSIC3000 is that the instructions didn't have the controls listed so the hardest thing was working out how to move the cursor!! Took me a while..hahaha
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on December 19, 2007, 10:15:55 PM
lol, they forgot the most necessary thing x.x

As for MTV Music Generator I don't really like it, because I don't like the controls. Moving the cursor is a pain and you have to use a different arrowpad/joystick to scroll. I prefered how in Music 2000 you moved the cursor to the edge of the screen to scroll and it was horizontal too. There are more RAM and there are lot of new samples though but most seems more like riffs so it's hard to use them when you use a different tempo.  It only costed me near $7 on amazon though so it isn't too bad
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: 147 crew on January 04, 2008, 05:11:02 AM
So messing around with MUSIC3000/PS2..it doesn't have the 1 sample I was looking for!! Also when I changed the start of a sample, (the BASS line I use in Heavy tune,) it instantly crashed!! Was thinking about making 3000 versions of some of me tracks but I don't think i'll bother, pretty much forgotten how to use it anyway..Is a cool program though
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on January 04, 2008, 05:20:56 AM
even after getting mtv music generator 2 for a month i still use music 2000, for soem reasons I seem to like this one better despite of the limitations and its more user friendly
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: 147 crew on January 04, 2008, 12:14:30 PM
I guess you stick to what you know..would be up for the better sound quality in MUSIC3000, just a shame you can't import the tunes you've made from the previous programme
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on January 04, 2008, 11:25:28 PM
There aren't much sound quality difference on MTVMG imo. Idk if it's because i use an emulator instead of the real playstation but recorded songs almost sound like they were made with sonar, reason, cubase, etc
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on January 12, 2008, 01:06:57 PM
ahh good ol music 3000 crashes all the time! ive lost many tracks with those crashes! thats why i stick with mtvmg2.
i used music 2000 all the time but i guess ive stuck with mtvmg2 for a while now so im used to it. i guess thats the thing if you are used to something and happy with it why change?  
i love all the music programmes except mtvmg3 which is terrible and talentless!
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on January 16, 2008, 09:02:20 PM
lol! i get the feeling im the only pro mtvmg2 user! i reckon i wouldnt like it if it didnt have the same samples as music 2000! but to me it is essentially music 2000 but with different controls and interface, with a few more added samples...
the vocals are completely different but that doesnt matter as they,ve allways been rubbish anyway!
2 things that i miss from music 2000 are the note effects and that guy (cant remember his name) whos vocals include 'i see you havent lost your touch'.
he was awesome!
anyway i love mtvmg2 which to me is just as good as music 2000, just lacking those damn note effects!
 
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on January 16, 2008, 09:48:36 PM
i noticed you are the only one who still use mtvmg2 on yt. THere was DJ Dark Drift but his tracks weren't that good imho and he left
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on January 17, 2008, 12:34:46 AM
yes dark drift had some good quality remixes i think clubbed to death was one of them... but i havent heard much for ages...
so i guess i have to fight my mtvmg2 corner lol!
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on January 17, 2008, 04:41:37 PM
mtvmg2 not a backwards step... not a step forward... but a step sideways!? lol!!
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on January 17, 2008, 11:23:44 PM
Lol :P  
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: trance-man on January 26, 2008, 07:52:14 PM
Ive bought mine off of "trade me" I havenet receved it in the mail yet, so when I get it I'll have a play around with it...
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on January 26, 2008, 08:22:03 PM
nice 1! the key is patience. if you've been using music 2000 for years its gonna be hard to begin with!!  :blink:  
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on January 26, 2008, 08:23:22 PM
oh and email me if you need any help. if you give it time you can get some awesome sounds out of it!  
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: trance-man on January 28, 2008, 03:51:59 AM
well I have rented it Back in 2002, so kind of have an Idea of what its like... I remember its a blue disc
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on January 28, 2008, 06:28:19 AM
for me all ps1 discs are black and ps2 ones blue
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: trance-man on January 30, 2008, 07:34:25 AM
not all ps2 discs are blue
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on January 30, 2008, 08:10:17 AM
i guess it must be something specific to each countries then. Here in north america all discs i got so far are royal blue
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: zapphnath on March 25, 2008, 12:15:59 AM
I was a little annoyed that the interface for MTVMG2 was so different, but it didn't take too long to get used to it.  I prefer hard rock/heavy metal and the guitar sounds in MG1 weren't all that "real" sounding for my tastes.  Using MG2, I was able to get more realistic guitar sounds - not completely real, mind you, but more real, nonetheless.

All in all, I'd say that they both have their good and not-so-good qualities, but I did prefer MG2.  

MG3?  It looked to be more about just remixing someone else's songs and less about being creative.  I never even bothered with it.
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on March 26, 2008, 08:58:46 PM
good choice! mtvmg3 is only good for one thing... resting your beer on... or playing frisbie with... hmmm thats more than one thing... maybe mtvmg3 isnt that bad after all...
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: zapphnath on March 26, 2008, 11:10:31 PM
Quotegood choice! mtvmg3 is only good for one thing... resting your beer on... or playing frisbie with... hmmm thats more than one thing... maybe mtvmg3 isnt that bad after all...
You forgot Christmas tree ornaments, earings and I'm sure I remember someone once made a dress out of a bunch of discs.

They have lots of uses.   ;)  

I have a bunch that I use as dust collectors (keeps it from getting all over stuff I actually use)
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: pillagemyvillage on March 27, 2008, 07:55:45 PM
ah yes christmas wouldnt be the same without mtvmg3 decorating the tree...
it also keeps burglars out... when they see you have mtvmg3 in your house they feel sorry for you, leave money and run far far away...
Title: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on March 29, 2008, 02:00:39 AM
haha nice one ^^ :P  
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on June 20, 2008, 01:32:04 PM
mhmm for me in North America Music 3000 actually has the controls in the instruction manual, but the manual is so short it's only a getting started guide, basically. I still managed to do a song without reading it nor the in game tutorials though, altough it could have been because I alerady used previous music programs before
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: Not a Number on June 29, 2008, 04:39:11 PM
Quote from: zapphnath on March 26, 2008, 11:10:31 PM
Quotegood choice! mtvmg3 is only good for one thing... resting your beer on... or playing frisbie with... hmmm thats more than one thing... maybe mtvmg3 isnt that bad after all...
You forgot Christmas tree ornaments, earings and I'm sure I remember someone once made a dress out of a bunch of discs.

They have lots of uses.   ;)   

I have a bunch that I use as dust collectors (keeps it from getting all over stuff I actually use)
Making a fashionable cape and perhaps a matching hat?

(I just hope I'm the only one who got the reference...)
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on June 29, 2008, 07:38:28 PM
I doN't understadn it x.x I guess I doN,t get the reference x.x

But yeah MTVMG4 can let you make awesome songs within so few time, and by good song I mean using your own melodies, not only premade riffs or remixing an artist song, I mean true original work. But it's so limited that you'll get bored after making a dozen of songs
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: Not a Number on June 29, 2008, 08:49:55 PM
@3:02 (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/26-Yahtzee-Goes-to-GDC)
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on June 29, 2008, 09:20:50 PM
oh lol I see now o.O

Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on August 11, 2008, 08:32:33 PM
Yeah my 2 favourite MTVMGs are the first one (Music 2000) and the 2nd one. I use MTVMG3 and Music 3000 sometimes but MTVMG3 is so limited since it was more designed to advertise MTV rap/mainstream club artists and remix their songs than making your own, and with Music 3000 I don't like how the reverb effects are mono. It's hard to make a song as good as in MTVMG1/2 in Music 3000 because of that
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on August 12, 2008, 12:15:10 AM
Actually the problem with 3000 is more the interface and sound quality. In MTVMG2 they tried to make a mouse like interface. Yes it was hard to get used to the dual joystick or joystick+arrow pad controls and adjusting the cursor took a while, but at the end you got used to it. Music 3000 takes the Music Generator 2 controls and even allow horizontal scrolling setting like Music 2000 (which I love), but the buttons are way too small so it's annoying to select something like a riff. For some reasons I also noticed sound memory doesn't seems to get filled as fast as with MTVMG1 and 2, even if sound quality is better, but the mono reverb instead of stereo like in Music 2000, MTVMG2 and 3 makes it hard to have songs with lot of deep, so a trance song can be extremly hard to make. Not to mention reverb effect seems to work globally, not on riffs with reverb enabled. This means even kickdrums seems to have reverb, which can give weird results sometimes. Also setting effects on samples individually is a challenge. SOmetimes it will edit the duplicates of the same samples alerady loaded in too, which means if you ddin't saved and forgot where you took the sample you need to reload :S

As for MTVMG3 not being made by jester is really noticeable as they completly went away from the original concept of these softwares, which was to allow everyone to create their very own music. It's very limited compared to MTVMG1 and 2
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: Fear 2 Stop® on November 24, 2008, 06:11:12 AM
I've had this for 7 years now...got it as a wedding present from my friend Raymond. Kinda poetic because the three of us have been making music with it now for...7 years as "Fear 2 Stop". 7 years, and I'm still finding new tricks and new ways to make sounds. For comparison's sake I haven't touched MG1 now in a few years, and quit messing around with DHF shortly after buying it. MG2 doesn't seem that userfriendly if you are used to MG1, but once you get the hang of it it actually is more so. I like how much easier it is to make panning & volume effects, and one good thing about the vertical scrolling is that I like making shapes! You'd be surprised to see what can result just by making shapes in the riff editor (balloons, happy faces, spelling out words vertically). Couldn't do that with the others.
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on November 24, 2008, 06:33:06 AM
oh lol yeah it was fun to try making icons in it. In music 2000 it wasnt too hard but it didn't always looked as good because of the lighter riff colors on darker background. it was more suitable for text
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: Fear 2 Stop® on December 03, 2008, 06:31:44 AM
I did an entire song just by making shapes & stuff. I'll post it in the appropriate forum. It was so much easier to do that since it was arranged vertically. In all honesty, when I first got MG2, my wife hated the vertical scrolling as she was used to the horizontal one from the 1st edition. After about a month though, we found it impossible to go back.
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: crimzon doom on December 03, 2008, 09:07:36 AM
I have MTV MG 1,2,and 3 and they all have been a great buy...just got to get the hang of how they work.....cant say i regret buying them, they have all brought me many hours of great music.....could not ask for anything else...doom ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: Casper AudioGhost on December 15, 2008, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: pillagemyvillage on March 27, 2008, 07:55:45 PM
ah yes christmas wouldnt be the same without mtvmg3 decorating the tree...
it also keeps burglars out... when they see you have mtvmg3 in your house they feel sorry for you, leave money and run far far away...
lol i love that and it's just in time for xmas now......oooh shiny   :D
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: JCW on December 15, 2008, 09:11:21 PM
I was stunned how MTVMG3 was pretty much just a remix disc I was expected M3K, MTVMG2 etc. So hahah, I agree a little with all the jokes but I still feel bad for the game :P
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: Casper AudioGhost on December 15, 2008, 09:16:22 PM
that's understandable:) i really feel bad for ppl who paid full price thinking it was like music 2000.i paid 30 dollars and sold mine for 8 about a month later i hated it that bad.i don't have a ps2 anymore tho
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: JCW on December 15, 2008, 11:07:32 PM
I picked mine up for around 2.99 in my local Blockbusters and played it twice. Can't compain, it looks good in the shelf with the other Music series lol.
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: DJ_Omnimaga on December 16, 2008, 01:44:40 AM
I got mine for $0.01 on Ebay, altough shipping costed $7.98. I bought it this summer when the Canadian dollar was pretty high so it ended up at like $6.90 total in the end
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: Irndemon on December 16, 2008, 02:18:01 AM
I have m2k,mtvmg2 & m3k i also have the usb sampler but i tend to just stick to m2k because i find it much more user freindly in terms of controlls and because it has some wicked preset effects ;D.But the main big difference for me is that in m2k when i construct beats, it allows me to build a breakbeat all in one riff ,more than one channel with layered notes,somthing that comes in very handy when you want to create intelligent break patterns using the cut,copy&paste tecnique.Basicly allows you to make a 1 bar break in an 8 bar riff with layered notes,then you can copy small sections of the first bar and strategicaly paste them in the remaining 7 bars.Would be a nightmare in the other two :) I've always had problems with playback in m3k,always seems out of sync slightly :-\ Just been listening to seiphers new dnb tune,Killer Drums!! it seems he doesnt have this problem with it.
Title: Re: A Backwards step?
Post by: morse13 on December 27, 2008, 10:07:59 AM
Tonight I was looking online for MG1 and MG2 to replace my existing copies that have some scraches. I ended up buying both games used, they were both listed as being in excellent condition (I hope). I paid $50 all together for both games on Amazon.com . I also bought a PS3 memory card adapter from Target so I can backup the four PS1 and five PS2 memory cards I have that are all full of music. I have been using MTV Music Generator for at least 7 years and never thought it had this much of on online following. I'm not suprised though. I own MTV Music Generator 1, 2, 3, DHF and also have a Korg Triton Keyboard, Fostex Digital 8 Track Recorder, NuMark Turntable, Audio Technica Condenser Mic and a TDK stand alone CD Burner. I don't think I would have turned my guest bedroom into a recording studio if it hadn't been for the Generator. Feel free to check out my music on my website and add me while your there.
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