First, you can access your tunes by typing s a v e f i l e s . c o m without the spaces in the URL bar and add the file ID at the end, for example in one of your post there is "files/1987293", then just type the savefile url then files/1987293 . If you got a savefile account you might even access the entire list from there.
Secondly, I did not disallowed savefile because I don't like to download there, I disabled it because I can't even download from there at all. All I get from your songs and DarkBliss' are HTML files, no MP3 at all. I want every song on the site to be downloadable by anyone
And third, it is not the first time you blow up at me or someone else just for such little thing (I said little thing because you should have kept backups of your songs even if they are still accessible on Savefiles). YOu did via PM too and via Audioghost too. Rudeness is agaist the board rules so seeing you can't behave you are banned from the forums.
I`ll get round to updating all my links throughout the next few weeks Omni.
I think Quade is just a little frustrated, will you consider unbanning him? He`s a great contributor to the forums and I`d hate to see him go?
Cheers dude. :)
According to my calculations (read: Microsoft Excel) that means I can upload upto 8-and-a-half minutes, seeing as I always go for 320Kbps when encoding my stuff as mp3. :D
As for the Savefile thing, I don't mind at all; I have my own webspace to use up.
Didn't see that bit on savefiles..but sounds like you can still use the link then.
How do you do that video upload? pressed the YT button but nothing happened. Upload the tune like you would mp3?
Put the YouTube URL inbetween the tags.
I'm not planning to leave that ban on forever. However this morning I was in a hurry because I was writing a long post but Opera crashed and I lost the message, and I didn't set up the ban properly. Right now he can't even view the board at all, which is not what I wanted, because he can't see my reply to his post. I'm tweaking the ban so he just cannot post nor register a 2nd account. I'm thinking about the weekend, meaning it will expire around 6 AM of UK time monday.
As for contributing to the board, I am happy to see people contributing to make the Music 2000/3000/generator community grow. However, no matter how much you contributed, even if you uploaded 1000 songs, has close to 1000 posts, helped other members out, posted tutorials, made or are working on mixes, even new songs, it doesn't mean you are exempt from any rules on the board. Some people seems to think that when someone is one of the greatest member of a community, family, whatever, he can do whatever he wants. Paris Hilton and many other stars is a great example. They will beat down someone, drink and drive, take drugs, and they can get away with it because they are popular and/or did great stuff. Same things for friends. If someone has a friend, he might think that anywhere he goes his friend is exempt of any rules too, same for kids. Well, this is not the case on these boards. It doesn't mean I don't care about people contributions, it's all about being fair and equal for everybody on the board. If a member with no tunes uploaded and very few posts would do the exact same thing, he would get the exact same punishments after two cases.
Now that savefiles thing makes me sick because I wish I could hear Quade and DarkBLiss new stuff. They gotta make their site compatible with all internet browsers, OSes and computers (unless they are restricting people so they have to pay an account?). They also need to get rid of that "deletion of file after certain days". Blocking it sucks but it seemed that it was getting used more and more and I wish the boards were more uniform in the way that every single people can download everyone's songs, not just certain songs. The only solution I would have besides that is to force people who upload songs externally to at least upload a copy of it inside their post too, else their topic is deleted.
As for the Youtube video upload, it isn't really upload. Actually you just do something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO7Q_6p_ej4
Don't put the &fmt=18, though, because it doesn't work.
Also, if people don't know alerady, I contributed a lot to this site, by even starting it up in the first place. I also pay hosting fees and domain name fees, not to mention taking a lot of my time making sure everything is correct on the server and site. If things starts to get out of hand over here, starts leaving for such things and get angry at me like this or if it seems that everything I do is wrong, nothing stops me from deleting TIMGUL altogether, it will just take 5 minutes and everything including songs will be gone for good then I will have the entire diskspace for my other website/forum and other people's.
I totally agree. I wasn`t implying that Quade should be exempt from the rules because of his musical talents, I do think he could have reacted in a slightly better way but then again I can understand his frustration with having to re-upload all of his songs.
I also understand you`re contribution to the site Omni, after all if it wasn`t for you this site wouldn`t exist and I wouldn`t be able to share my music or hear anybody elses. For that reason I`m very thankful which is why I`m willing to re-upload all of my songs.
Anyway, if you`re planning to lift his ban after a few days thats cool, I`m sure things will have settled down a little bit by then.
Peace. ;)
I agree. Its no bother for me to go back and modify my posts and upload direct to the site. The only reason i used mediafire anyway was because of file size( If they were under 6meg they were posted direct).
Im sure it will all come together in time. Just think of how good this board is compared to others..... No ads plastered all over the place, no spam, no flamers/haters. Its because Omni runs it good and sticks to the rules that he set and spends alot of time on it.
Its all good. :)
I just read through all the posts and I'ld like to note that it wasnt DarkBliss's material that couldnt be accessed because I could access it just fine, it's just on one such occasion that savefile was down. I also notices that when you put in a savefile link that it only erases the url but not the number code which is the direct link to the tune. Therefore savefile pages can be accessed if you put in the savefile part of the url. I think what is frustrating is that although I do appreciate this site Omni as it's what got me into making tunes in the first place, my main confusion stems from the fact that in one of your previous posts on this topic you have given us a way to get around the savefile text ban, but if this is the case why not just unban it all together and give people both options of posting the link AND uploading directly to the forum, therefore if the savefile link doesn't work they can just download it directly from here.
As for the Quade remark, I fully understand what he is saying as he has posted many a great tune on here and is clearly frustrated at having to repost them all, but banning him straight away was quite the unfair move, he never had the chance to see what you said or had the opportunity for a rebuttle. But that's just me. Again I do appreciate the site and what you have done Omni, I just think the way you went about this was wrong.
Cheers for the response on the YT thing. So I should just do what I have been doing, I thought maybe the video would be added to the post to view straight off.
Appreciate the site loads and that you pay hosting fees etc. TIMGUL is a great site which seems to be a firm favourite amongst members and guests alike. I must admit I haven't downloaded tunes from savefiles as its too much hassle, much prefer a 1 click tune i.e Youtube/Reverbnation. Faster + everyone can access.
Hope Quade reposts tunes in a more friendly format, enjoyed his tunes on YT :D
SMILE ;D
Quote from: The Lyricist on February 22, 2009, 12:57:02 PM
I just read through all the posts and I'ld like to note that it wasnt DarkBliss's material that couldnt be accessed because I could access it just fine, it's just on one such occasion that savefile was down. I also notices that when you put in a savefile link that it only erases the url but not the number code which is the direct link to the tune. Therefore savefile pages can be accessed if you put in the savefile part of the url. I think what is frustrating is that although I do appreciate this site Omni as it's what got me into making tunes in the first place, my main confusion stems from the fact that in one of your previous posts on this topic you have given us a way to get around the savefile text ban, but if this is the case why not just unban it all together and give people both options of posting the link AND uploading directly to the forum, therefore if the savefile link doesn't work they can just download it directly from here.
As for the Quade remark, I fully understand what he is saying as he has posted many a great tune on here and is clearly frustrated at having to repost them all, but banning him straight away was quite the unfair move, he never had the chance to see what you said or had the opportunity for a rebuttle. But that's just me. Again I do appreciate the site and what you have done Omni, I just think the way you went about this was wrong.
This was mainly done to convince people to stop posting savefiles links and to update their old ones after the 20 MB cap increase, because I know some people will completly ignore that news article and their new upload cap increase. Not to mention I prefer that every song are avaliable for download for everyone.
As for the ban, at first I misconfigured it so he couldn't see the board at all, but I fixed it afterward so he could at least login/view posts, meaning he could see our replies to his posts. He didn,t got able to reply, obviously, but rules are rules. If you are rude, the reason doesn't matter at all (unless it is toward someone else's causing trouble, like the Demhier/Kallaye incident, altough Kallaye apologised and is all good, now)), you're banned. You have no right to aggress verbally other TIMGUL members. In fact it pretty much goes against the will of most of the TIMGUL userbase. There's no freedom of speech right on the internet. If you register on a board it is a priviledge and you have to agree to a set of guidelines. Not to mention this right could be revoked at any time.
The days of TIMGUL are counted since Quade77 last post. You are all lucky this site even exists at all and seeing how things are turning out with this matter I've been considering shutting down the site altogether
The net isnt a privilege though man, we respect each other but to talk like that makes you sound like a dictator man, and thats not right. I maybe new but I'm registered on a lot of forums, they are freedom of speech, and to be honest, I wouldnt be surprised if I got banned for this too, but that would just prove my point
Ok, so what do you want? You want me to edit the rules so being rude to people is allowed and everyone can be bashed and no punishments ensues?
Rules are just here to make the community better. It worked pretty well so far. Now there's just Quade being rude which is breaking the rules, so I enforced them. On each forums admins decide what is allowed and what's not. I myself am against being rude to people for almost no reason, so I'm not gonna allow it on my board. If you want to have a Music 2000 forum where you can be rude to other people, then start your own forum. It's easy you just need to sign up an account on http://www.invisionfree.com or http://www.zetaboards.com . Else there's DaveM forums, but there is only one english sub-section and the rest is german.
I am totally at loss now and it really seems you guys are turning back against me or not respect me anymore with these 3 last posts, else, not respecting my will to keep TIMGUL peaceful as it always have been before. Tonight (read: 6 AM UK time) his ban ends, then I will see how things goes. I also disabled the filter on Savefiles.com, but I edited the "how to upload songs" topic about the 20 MB cap and updates regarding external host uploading and the Youtube things. If tomorrow it seems that everyone is still against me because of my board rules, it will means this is the end of TIMGUL and that there's no more hope for it to survive
The world is full of assholes, you can't take away people's right to be an asshole, I would suggest a "3 strikes and you're out" rule, but yeah we respect that you own the site and such and we do appreciate it, but you can't be a dictator and ban Quade just cos of that remark, because to be honest, it's not even that offending.
Ok I understand namakura, it's just that all of a suddent everyone has been negative to me and it's hard for me to see the positive when there is so much negative.
The Lyricist, I could always go with 3 strikes instead of 2. The problem, though, is that this happened many times lately, including via PM (most PM stuff was mostly libel), which is why I took this decision.
And guys please understand that some people take stuff personally more than others. Not understanding or caring about that would make you very narrow minded, because if you don't get offended as easily, it doesn't mean everyone is like you. I was personally extremly sensitive when I was kid, worked on it through elementary school, but suffered a setback by almost 6 years in my first year of high school due to a peak of bullying/harrassment/threats (about 20 people in the class of 28 students were bullying me regulary, since I was put in a class with people with learning trouble, even though I didn't had any) and real life problems. Then I recovered the few following years, but I have been working on all this for 17 years alerady, and I still got a lot of work to do. It takes much longer with some people and if you don't understand that, you are narrow minded and careless about other people. Because I am more sensitive I will try to make sure my community is peaceful. Someone who don't take offense to anything might let users on his board do anything they want. Also I saw many communities fall apart because of fights in my 8 years in the calculator communities and I saw other kind of communities fall apart too. When it was not because of the inactive staff/admins, it was because of fights and nothing done about it.
As you people could see in the past, I didn't even need to moderate on TIMGUL. This is also why there's no other admins and why the community didn't need to split in 4-5 english MTVMG forums yet. All I needed to do is move topics in the right sections or say we didn't shared illegal Music2000 downloads for example. I also leave posts as intact as possible (read: as intact as 1and1.com hosting terms of services allows too and within SMF 1.1.x limitations). NOw I got on the defense because this isn't the first time Quade is rude to someone and while such thing only happened twice in public, this also happened twice via private messaging and there were some libelous claims against Audioghost too, making it 5 times.
Anyway, The Lyricist, do you want to be the root admin of this forum? You seems to know better than me how a forum is run. Maybe Namakura would like to do so, too? With Quade77 too at the admin bar I guess
I don't mind being an admin at all, I feel that the forum would work better with some kind of "council", therefore, if we all agree on something then it can't be split like this and there would be no arguments as all decisions would be final
I actually started a new discussion in the othe rtopic in the Feedback section. Personally, my fear is that allowing people to be rude to others without any consequences might cause more bad than good to the community, especially since it's peaceful alerady. Some people might leave and personally if people starts being rude to me like this, I will leave.
I also fear that The Lyricist is advocating free speech simply because in a few months he is planning to be rude and deliberately causing trouble on the forums, or alerady did this on other forums before, because a lot of people did the same before on various forums I visited. I hope it's not the case and just a matter of personal opinion.
EDIT: I missed Namakura post, I just hope you understand that I am more sensitive than others, and you can't change that. You have to accept that everyone is different.
As for the ban, I've been thinking about lifting it right now. I personally don't hold any grudges against Quade77 nor anyone on this forum. The ban was just rule enforcing and the way rules are enforced is now gonna be discussed in the other topic. I do hope Quade will not hold any grudges against me either. If I really did a mistake with this ban and even the savefiles incident, then sorry.
Everyone does mistakes and I think we should forgive each others, else it does no good to each person if they hate each others or to be hated by someone. And again, let's not be narrow minded about people differences. Not accepting that someone can be less sensitive than someone else or vice versa is some sort of bigotry after all
Just leave it now, lets set up some kind of order to stop this happening again and then we can all go back to making great tunes yeah?
Edited my post above, because me and nakamura posted at the same time x.x
I'll lift the ban while you read it.
So where do we stand on the admin positions then?
i was a bit sarcastic in that statment. I said that because it seemed like at the time that because of the way I moderate the forums I felt I didn,t deserve my admin position anymore
I enjoy this site and I appreciate all the hard work that you've put into it. I love this site and I think that its awesome that the people here are so cool and nice. It makes it nice and easy to share our work, ideas, techniques,likes/dislikes, etc., among each other which makes it feel like a community rather than just a site that I'm just uploading and downloading stuff from like most other sites where you showcase your music. And thats a compliment to Omni good job at running this site.
With that being said, I completely support Omni decision to ban people who are being rude or don't follow the rules and guidelines, because when we registered with this site we all agreed to those guidelines. With this being such a small community, or actually any community for that matter, people who don't follow the rules can easily make it not a good place to be. And sometimes people who we don't expect to break them do as well, and if its not addressed something small could snowball into a worse problem.
In Quade's case, I know he was fustrated, but I do think that he could have expressed it in a differnet way rather than cursing someone out online. In any community there are going to be disagreements, but just because someone disagrees, doesn't mean they should be rude in how they express their fustration.
Quote from: The Lyricist on February 22, 2009, 11:24:24 PM
I would suggest a "3 strikes and you're out" rule
From what I read, I think there were three strikes. Omni mentioned the incident with Ghost and also the fact that there had been some Personal messages(PM) that were sent that were apparently rude(So we all probably don't know the whole story). The recent post on this forum might have been the last straw before the ban. I wouldn't even call it a ban its more of a suspension because it was only for a limited time, he wasn't exiled indefinitely. So its not as bad as some people here might think it is.
Disagreements within any community can't be avoided no matter how how big or small it is, but they aren't always bad because its also necessary for growth within a community. There are good and bad points to everyones arguments, and when these situations calm down or are resolved, people usually learn a thing or two, in hopes of avoiding a similar situation in the future.
ok now lets just review how i was being so "rude" ? this is what i said..... and im not being rude now but i think its far i have my say to only defend everything that has been said agents me and for banning me
yeah great, shame i have lost every tune i have ever made! (is that rude)? i can understand about the upload increase to 20, but why get rid of save file? ( is that rude?) just because YOU personally don't like it, ( witch is true) (omni don't like it, because he cant use it) (is that rude) ? thats the only file site that works for me! (is that rude)? there was no real need to block the site,(is that rude)? fucking annoying considering it takes me about a hour to upload each tune because i use a USB modem stick to get on line..(is that rude)? i know you don't like save file, but come on man dont have to wipe off everyones work, (is that rude)? its a massive hassle for me to get my tunes on this site (is that rude)?,, oh well don't think i will bother uploading everything all over again and may as well leave the site now,(is that rude)? think the Pillage and Quade77 mix is a good way to say good bye.(is that rude)?
thanks from Quade77(is that rude)?
im just saying how i was upset that after hours and hours of me trying to get a good online connection and getting people to hear my tunes, and spending hours, uploading tune after tune. to have them removed (as i thought at the time) without any warning.. now to me that is very rude, but you will not ban yourself, banning me for saying how i feel is rude to me, as i never said anything about you personally expect that you didn't like S a v e f i l e ?? witch is a true statement!!!
now am i not allowed to speak my mind? there was no rudeness there, you took it all the wrong way and didn't see it from my side at all. and didn't even give me a chance to reply?
as for me being rude to casper aka audio ghost, this is how i was rude to him....
another great tune mate, wicked vocal man, where did you get the vocal from mate? i love the timing of it all, you have done really well there, nice atmosphere to this, it reminds me of something but i cant put my finger on it, i like the funky euro bassline, always love your work, top marks from me, a good technique for a tune like this one is to have a deep pad sound on the same notes as the bassline, like a low string to accompany the bass line it would give it even more depth and make it sound deeper, but this is still great i love it.
peace to you, my good friend Ghost
again, please show me where i was being rude?
and for that i get called SMUG???
but im being rude to him????? and he did not get a ban?? ok i can let that go and i have ! he said sorry and thats cool with me, im not a child and i can take it..
now this is the one i thought was very low to say i was rude to you in a PM we both know thats not true, this is what you are talking about, show me the rudeness???????
hi omni got a little gift for you my friend , its a free copy of Ableton live 7. i know you say you find these programs hard to use but believe me its no harder then Music 2000 / 3000 or MG2, and when you get the hang of it its easier in my eyes, im sure you will be happy with it man
its my way of saying thanks for this site.
heres the link
http://www.megaupload.com, bla bla, (so i sent the link here)
it will seem a little weird at first getting used to it, but it will be worth it in the end. i cant stress enough how important it is to look at tutorials on youtube and other sites, ill sent you a few links to get you started, make sure you save them to your bookmarks!! big tip, if you wanna get your riffs in the arrange view you have to record them in the sessions view first, its all about recording!! and use the (freeze track) option as much as you can, you will find out what i mean later, ok ill send you the links to help you Smiley
http://www.vtc.com/products/Ableton-Live-7-Tutorials.htm
http://www.ableton.com/movies
http://www.ableton.com/livepacks
also join this.......it will help you more then anything
http://forum.ableton.com//viewforum.php?f=1
and of course youtube is great too
Good luck mate and most of all enjoy XD
this is the reply and thanks i got from omni
Well thanks I will probably try it. I have Sony ACID pro demo and did a song with it. I liked it. I will try ableton live to see if it's better and if it isn't too much CPU intensive I might use this instead. I alerady got a bunch of VST plugins I got on my other forums.
However, if I happen to not be comfortable with it, please, no harrassment. I can't stress enough how much I got harrassed in the programming community about how I should learn ASM instead of BASIC after telling people over 100 times I tried to learn ASM several times and just can't get the grasp of it even after looking through tutorials. I had to quit programming altogether and leave the forums in question to not get harrassed anymore and it took 2 years until I start coding again (in BASIC) so much I was tired of getting bugged. The same thing happens in the music community every summer when the FL Studio fanboys invade Youtube in June until August and troll the hell of all non-FL Studio songs comment pages and people bugging me to learn FL Studio. Altough it pretty much just started like a year ago and it's usually only during summer time I would hate if people started bugging me even more trying to force me to switch from Music 2000. Personally on all the PC softwares I used it takes me around 12-20 hours to get a decent song done, even if i am used to them. The easiest I could find were Magix Music Maker and Sony ACID Pro. I can't understand FL Studio even after checking tutorials and I don't like the cluttered interface. I will only use a software if I get comfortable with it. With Music 2000 i can finish a track in 3-4 hours and sometimes it sounds better. In MTVMG2 i take around 6-7 hours.
So if I find ableton easy to use, then good, else I will ignore every future request to switch. For now my favouites are Sony ACID and Music 2000. Even after I got ACID trial I still use Music 2000. Only thing is that since I am too busy since the past 6 months I can't listen to people tracks anymore. :S
so i sent this!!
no harassment??? ok man don't worry i wont harassment you??? really thought i was doing you a favor!! seeing as im giving you a £200 music package for free just to say thanks, sorry if you have took offense to that, im a 31 year old man with better things to do with my time, i don't harass anyone!!! , you can do what you like with it, its a fantastic music making program, can do more with that then that shitty acid pro thing you are talking about, its got nothing to do with all this fl studio fanboys and all that shit, at the end of the day its about making great music, i don't get caught up in all the childish bullshit politics about theses games, look anyway don't worry man, no one is forcing you to use it, it was just a gift, but good luck to you anyway.
from omni
sorry if it sounded rude, it's because I noticed that a lot of people (no matter the age) who switch to better softwares bugs other people to switch too. This is constructive, but most keep bugging the person and insisting afterward non stop and it gets annoying. I was just saying that as a warning in case you were planning to do the same. I mean, the person could convince the other to switch because he likes his music and is convinced he will make even better stuff, but if the other realise the new software is not for him or that he's more confortable with the current one it's better to not put too much pressure. I'M glad you weren't planning to do so, it's just that it happened so many times and there was someone I even had to block from AIM chat so he stops, not just with music, that I get in defense mode really quick. I'm happy to have the chance to try the software now, and thanks for the gift. I will look if I get comfortable with it and if it suits my needs.
So far I don't think Sony ACID is that bad, I tried it and it was easy to use and all. My only gripe about it is that it has a nasty bug that when you close it, almost all your vst settings are reset to random settings, so until you finished the song and are certain you woN't need to retouch it you will have to keep the program open. Not a big problem for me since I have my PC on 24/7 but it can be annoying if I ever need to reboot or shut down my PC. I am planning to get help from someone who use the same program on my other forums to see if there is a workaround but he isn't on anymore.
If Ableton works similary to other sequencers other than FL Studio I will be very happy with it. The good thing now is that I got a big bunch of percussion samples for Eurodance, gabber and uk hardcore and combined with the big bunch of freeware VST plugins I got as well as some other samples I have much more freedom now.
For the old skool happy hardcore and old forms of trance I will still have my old Music 2000. My only gripe right now with Music 2000 is that if I ever decide to sell my music made with it I would have to put the MTV Music Generator logo on my CD pocket (that's unless Codemasters didn't decided to no longer require that, though).
fair enough, thought the matter was over there but dont go telling people i was rude to you by PM, because thats a lie!!
PS you seem to be very fast to forget how i have prased you many time in the past, and how i have gone out of my way to thank you for the site ect....
if you really want to ban me again for saying how i feel and defending myself thats ok, but dont say im a bad rude person because i think everyone else knows that is not true, if i offended you then im sorry if that was all you wanted me to do was apologize to you, again sorry
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on February 23, 2009, 01:04:11 AM
i was a bit sarcastic in that statment. I said that because it seemed like at the time that because of the way I moderate the forums I felt I didn,t deserve my admin position anymore
That's fine then dude, but I still think that having a strict amount of people moderate the forums is the best way to go, I'm not saying it should be me but it would most certainly put a stop to al the arguing, and to answer your sarcasm, yeah I do have a lot of experience modding forums, I've done it for Neoseeker, and plenty of other sites, there's no need for sarcasm as I have not fired any back your way. If you're talking about "being nice" to other forum members then that's not exactly the way to go now is it?
also i just want to say that pillage my village was standing right next to me when i wrote about the 20mg upload limit, and that i was very upset that no one could now upload all my work, or would not bother going through the process of how to find my save file tunes. and he could understand what i was saying quite easily,,
we had just finished the Quade77 vs Pillage my Village timgul mix, but i couldn't upload it to the site, and i couldn't use save file, and i tried another 3 save file sites, but non of them worked for me, and all that wasted 4 hours of my life, not including the 6 hours to do the mix its self. if people cant understand my frustration about that then i really don't know what to say,
i do not want to be on a site where i have to tip toe around people, or kiss ass just to get along with people. i have never in my life flamed anyones music on this site or any other site, i have contributed to this site as much as i passably can, with my tunes my positive comments on peoples tunes, (even if the tune is good or bad) and the mixes we are now doing! i have promoted this site many times to help it grow, i have also added some people to my own site on my friends showcase page here http://quade77productions.synthasite.com/friends-showcase.php and that includes omnimaga, take a look if you think im not telling the truth....
in fact this is what i wrote about omni........
DJ OMNIMAGA is a true pioneer in bringing new unsigned music to the world with his outstanding WWW.MTV-MUSIC-GENERATOR.COM a incredible music site where people can post there music and unselfishly let peoples' productions be heard to all, his hard work and dedication holds no bounds, a great producer of music himself of all things dance music, this man is a jack of all trades and a master of all trades too! favoring Hardcore, the music Omnimaga creates is on the level of masters, true elite. please check out his web site http://www.mtv-music-generator.com/index.php
check out his tune! (here i had a link to one of his best tunes)
just thought it was relevant in this matter
as i always say on my post and messages,
PEACE from Quade77
EDIT: crap I missed Quade second post. This is a reply to his first one. I'll repost a reply to his other post
Quote!!
That was rude
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That was rude
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That was rude
(all since it was specifically directed at a person in particular, exclamations marks makes a post sounds like the user talks in a very excited way, super happy or angry, and caps lock are considered as yelling)
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isn't as bad, as well as profanity, if used alone, but in this context it made the post sound even more rude (the profanity was used in the second PM you sent me).
Since you are apologising about that, this means you were definitively not meaning to be rude to me so I'm going to apologise for thinking you were and because of the ban. However I would like to clafiry some things:
First, I do not hold grudges against you (as I said in my previous post). Even before lifting up the ban. Everyone can do mistakes and this makes me realise even more how text is one of the worst way to communicate because it often transmits emotions incorrectly or are misinterpreted. I do hope you don't hate me and forgive me, audioghost and others for that.
About the audioghost matter, not the one via PM but the one on the forums in his Gate To Heaven topic, Audioghost is a bit like me in the way that he can take stuff personally easier than other people. I do think he overeacted with his smug comment, however, it was the first time, which is why I didn't banned him. I also understand how it would piss you off afterward too. However my problem there is that afterward he edited out his post then apologised, yet you would still continue and Audioghost had to apologise at least 3 or 4 times until you post something that seemed like you forgiven him.
However, I did not like the following either. But I'm unsure if this was posted before or after this incident, since in the forum database dates are written in a strange way, but this was pretty shocking at first to me and audioghost and I took quite a lot of offense to this and this was quite uncalled for for the users who uploaded 900 tunes on this site, especially considering how much better they are compared to some Youtube stuff.
Quote from: PM sent to NakamuraMSG ID: 524
ID_MEMBER_FROM: 416
deletedBySender: 0
fromName: Quade77
msgtime: 1234316739
<removed PM due to whole ordeal it has caused and per request>
So basically there's only about 4 good music producer on TIMGUL and the rest, probably even me, don't produce anything worthy even if they spent lot of time on it?
So yeah that was pretty shocking, and I feel there was some defamatory stuff in this PM sent to nakamura. I do hope such things doesn't ever happen again.
Anyway I apologise if I am too fast on banning and badmouthing, it's just that I had to deal with so much shit in the past including online that I get pretty defensive now when someone seems aggressive to me. I do hope you also understand that. Everyone is different in the world and you have to accept everyone as they are, like I have to do and like how everyone has to do.
Plus everyone does mistakes. Kallaye1 did and his apology was written in a way that it didn't seemed like one, so I still thought he was a hater, then he came to clafiry his apology and we're all fine now, everyone comments on his tracks including myself on youtube and he doesn't post anymore bad comments
As for The Lyricist, sorry I doN,t share the same opinion than you. I doubt it will become this way and the sarcasm was only said because i felt you were questioning my ability to moderate this board, which I kinda found insulting to be honest.
I'M still unsure about my future on TIMGUL. As for now TIMGUL Rave Mix Volume 6 has been put on hold due to the incident and it's not guaranteed that I will release it, since there are bigger chances that this will be one my last post on this forum
EDIT: crap I missed Quade second post. This is a reply to his first one. I'll repost a reply to his other post
thats a very low move to show a personal message to everyone, that was from me to one other person when i was angry, you are truly a dictator!!! why dont you show what that person sent back to me why you are at it, and all my other messages...no one needed to see that and you are a low person for showing it, ,, you are gonna start more unnecessary trouble now, so thanks for that...no need to ban me you give me no choice but to leave the site and im leaving right now!!! to every one else, hope you all enjoy making music and i wish you all the best, but be very careful what you say because omni is watching your every move.
peace quade77
no doubt omni will delete this anyway
why post that personal message, i thought you was better then that, thats the most out of order thing i have ever seen on the net so far, well played for trying to turn everyone agents me
Quade77,
The forum rules applies to personal messaging as well. If bad things are said against someone via PM, the rules will apply as well as if it was in public, and people would have requested to see it in public anyway, as they were questioning me about what happened via PM, plus it seemed like you wanted to bring up the PM issue.
Sorry, but even if the entire matter only would have occured via PM, it would still have been brought to public anyway, else someone might have brought it up to me. And saying I am a dictator is a real insult to me. I would like to see you run TIMGUL yourself.
Again, the forum rules applies to PMs too. And that PM was pure DEFAMATION!
It just seems like you always think you are right and you do nothing wrong and everything I do is wrong now that you are angry at me. Sorry, but leave TIMGUL alerady. YOu are selfish, not caring about anyone and how they feel
thats cool ;D the people that really know me, and are my friends on here know the truth!!! just because you can handle life don't mean i cant! and i think when you grow up and become a man you will see that you are the selfish one after all, and yes maybe i cant run a site like timgul or i just don't want to, i do things in the real world with real people instead of hiding away in my parents house like you feeling sorry for myself, believe me there are a few people that think you need to get a grip and stop being a little baby and bitching about life, but luckily there didn't say it on this site.
this place was cool, but you have let it get to your head and get the better of you, no wonder you got bullied
Ignore this two last posts, it's filled with blatant lie, plus I only got bullied because of unpopular clothing style (lack of money), good grades, weird music style at the time (to the bullies), the only thing quade is right about is being bullied because I let the people get to me. Well I mentionned in a previous post I am working on this since 17 years and it just takes a while.
That said, Quade has showed that he thinks he is perfect, and nothing I do is right. He doesn't want to forgive me and every single move I did was criticized. However, the only reason why he is going to be permanently banned and never return on TIMGUL by now is because of his last post, which is a flame, and his second last post, which contains a troll. I know he did a lot of work on the site and helped a lot people, but the last incident was uncalled for and I hope to never see something like this happen again on TIMGUL. I do hope people see his last posts as a "what to not do on TIMGUL" and that such things won't happen again.
I am not the only one thinking this way about this matter and JCW has read this topic because I sent him the zip files containing copies of the entire thread while the board was taken offline.
As for the board being back online, you are lucky it was even brought back up at all. As said in the RIP notice, I didn't deleted the board in case I bring it back online in a week or a year. JCW actually convinced me non-stop to take it back online and Audioghost tried to earlier, altough it failed at the time since I was still sad about the matter.
It will remains as it is now, but chances are big that this is one of my last post ever, because I don't feel I deserves an administrator position anymore on TIMGUL, not even a moderator position, so someone will most likey have to take over for moderating issues. I will only be performing security updates. TIMGUL Rave Mix 6 is now officially cancelled and I'M unsure when I will make another song. For moderator position I thought for a long while that pillage might be a good one, since he has been around for a while, but I am worried that he might now hate me or that Quade might have turned him against me or the entire forum because of the ban and incident, because he hasn't visited the board ever since. I also wonder if people will not try starting a rival site in response to the whole ordeal, because the human is blinded by the bad, so he doesn't see the good anymore when the slightlest bad thing happens. Once you screwed up, you're screwed. One of the other choice for moderator would be JCW, most likely.
Even thought TIMGUL is back now, I do not think it will ever be the same again, though. Even if Quade did bad, he contributed a lot, had a lot of influence on other people (even one of my tune was inspired a bit by his songs due to the style) and contributed a lot to the site. It's just that from now on we can't be on good terms anymore because no matter what I will try, he will refuse to get on good terms again with me or hate me even more. This is not to mention there is alerady tension between him and another member and with the new incident added to all that, he can no longer contribute to our community. This is not to mention the massive member loss the site might suffer, seeing some people disagreed with the ban or are great friend with Quade.
On that, I let this topic open if anyone has their say, but if it gets nowhere, I'll lock it
Enough. I was absolutely disgusted by what Omni showed me while I was away. I was embarassed for people reading the sarcasm and shouting the rights they had over the rights they do have, regarding forum rules. They were broken and the rules were upheld by Omni, pehaps a little brashly but he apologized and set everything back to normal but people still continued the fight. Is this really what TIMGUL is all about?
For me it's about the music, and learning to be better. I will always need to get better with things, it's a learning curve. I look up to people here and down to people who ask for my help so I can raise them to the same level. More over, the friends I have here have made me feel welcome. And it's all thanks to Omni, if he felt offended and felt the need to act on his forum, his website and on his rules then that's fair enough. What's done is done, everyone has said their piece, and expressed how they feel. Omni felt he had to act, people felt they had to defend, others felt they had a right to express anger and as human beings we have all those rights and more.
But it's over now, Omni pulled the website down and I was mortified. Everything has been rectified now, I even got into a small fight with Omni but we sat down like men and straightened it out. Can't we all do the same thing? Let bygones be bygones, forward from hereonin. We've said what we have to. If people can't let things go that's their problem, but please I emplore you don't continue something that has been buried and ruin it for the rest of us.
Atleast now I know who my friends are and aren't, I guess I will look out for those elusive 4 greats of TIMGUL from now on. Thanks for listening guys.
Jesus! Its all gone off here! bloody hell, iv been watching this blow up from the start but refused to get involved. I love this site,the ppl and the music. Im glad its still up.
Im gonna have a listen to a few tunes and post some comments....... Peace guys.
Hey Stone Cold,
It continues and settles down in the Decorum topic if you're willing to read. It's settled for now. Hope you're okay mate.
Woah wait a minute, I was up all night last night till got 3am with Quade and Nakamura trying to sort this out. Omni took the board down, I really think that PM's should stay PM's and not be used in a public case against the person. Come on Omni that was way out of line. I'm glad the boards back up but the damage has been done now. Most people will miss out on Quade's great tunes, god knows what the other board members think, but it seems to me now that you have changed your mind for being sarcastic to me about having a moderator or a set of moderator to wanting to appoint JCW to be moderator over the board because he talked you round into putting it on. That to me looks like you want the board to be split on both sides. It looks like there is no easy way to settle this. And for what? Look at what all this has stemmed from and what it has degenerated to.
Who said anything about me being a Moderator? And talking him round? Where did you hear all this? ??? I think it's a fantastic idea that you said having a council, it'd make things alot easier but that lays with Omni. I'm just trying to keep this calm Lyricist, I don't want to read about this shit when I sign in to listen to music.
That's exactly what I just said on my post on the other thread, I want to just post my music, listen to others and get on with it.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on February 23, 2009, 10:32:09 AMJCW actually convinced me non-stop to take it back online and Audioghost tried to earlier, altough it failed at the time since I was still sad about the matter.
One of the other choice for moderator would be JCW, most likely.
That's where he said you talked him round and being a mod. This situation can't stay calm so long as Quade is unbanned, and we sort this out. At the end of the day of course he's going to be pissed about it. Look at what he's done for the board. He's just a very opinionated individual and should be allowed to express himself as such. Maybe he doesn't always go about it in the right way but if he says anything even remotely offensive he apologises and it takes a man to step up and do that. Yeah if Quade is unbanned he may kick up a fuss but that's just something we have to take. Let both sides get it out so we can move on. It's what we all have to take as men, and not shy away from what someone has to say.
What the hell? I skimmed that post and didn't see that part. Let me read it again and I'll reply.
Okay yeah, I don't know how I missed that bit but yes, I got into a big fight with Omni this morning about closing TIMGUL, reviewed what had happened and asked him to put it back online. He agreed because he wanted people to say what they had to instead of blocking them out fully. So if that's a bad thing that me and Casper tried to get TIMGUL back online then forgive me!
Yes, we're all men. Quade should be allowed back to say his piece, it's only fair I completely agree. We all went haywire and it's coming to an end, but what we don't need is more insults over this. Just talking and straightening things out without swearing or insulting. Omni, if you could unban Quade so he can speak I personally would appreciate that so we can all move on with our lives.
As for the mod part, read my other post to your response in the other topic to see what I said about that.
Yeah this has all got way out of hand now people...was a bit suprised the site was down for a couple of hours. Don't think you need to close the site or stop being the moderator, things have gone really well over the past year. Loads more members, loads of tunes, fun topics, interesting stories. Haven't noticed any hating while i've been browsing so this all came up real quick. Lets start to enjoy the MUSIC again, thats why we all came here to begin with. Just pumped out **RENEGADES OF TIMGUL VOL 2-WE DON'T STOP mixed by audioghost. Now if this site wasn't around, Musical mondays is no more........
Be a shame to lose everyones work. Every1 has an opinion I guess, mine, roll another PHAT ONE..pass it on.
KEEP TIMGUL ALIVE!!!
I just read it dude, and yeah I appreciate that you spoke to him but at the end of the day, what kind of picture does it paint that he shut the board down over an argument, or that he banned Quade just because he didn't like what he was saying? Quade should be allowed back, that's the bottom line. Insults will most likely be thrown around, but when you think about it, how can they not be?
I understand, I just think people can control what they type. Like I said, haywire. It just got out of hand. Insults will be thrown and I think we need to have broad shoulders to get past this. I can speak for Omni when he says he doesn't want to lose Quade or anyone else over this, it's apparent from what he is saying, he was just trying to do what he thought was best as an admin. Omni, you can dislike what I say here but reading on and thinking about it the PM was extreme, but we can't change it now. We just need to go forward. Once again, please unban Quade so we can all settle this as TIMGUL brothers. Keep TIMGUL alive, like 147 says.
You have got it right on point there, we need to have broad shoulders to get through this. Quade won't hold back and he needs to realise that.
I know, I tried my best to keep this diplomatic and stop other fights erupting and to get the site back online primarily. I think I've succeeded but I'm f*cking worn out now, been doing this since around 7am it's now 3pm. Think I'm just gonna chill out for a while, I've done what I can for now and I'll have to see what happens. Cheers.
I was up till 4am talking to everyone, from Quade, to Nakamura, to Omni himself, and pulling the forum down seems like a bad thing to do, almost like taking your ball and going home. Let's see where we go from here.
cheers jcw and all my friends,we need this forum an we need each other,this site is for hardcore music series producers because we don't fit into other music forums as well so remember the passion to keep using the software that motivates you to create.ppl will move on and do their ownn thing with their own agenda but we who want to keep making music with music software,we will be here.i think we should form a label to release cxompilations and maybe meet in voice chat to share sets of or music.we can stick together.it's about us not i.peace and massivr respect to all casper
It was a long few hours Nak.
Wow.
wheres kilroy when you need him?
Lol Pillage, or Jeremy Kyle.
" Today on Trisha Goddard... "
i never wanted this to happen, i thought we was all cool, and that we could say how we felt, i don't hate you or anyone, i just think we needed to talk about it, what can we do to make it all better? i showed the PM first because it was to do with omni and me only, no one else but omni brought in other people, thats not fair man, im not mad at you i just think we could have sorted it before it got this far,
i do want peace and don't want you to close the site, because we all love it, and some people are getting really good now, as for me saying about how many people are good at making music, of course you are one of the best, and there are more then a few, and i have respect for everyone that makes music, some peoples stuff i have not got to listen to yet as well, so dont take it to heart.. we don't need to hate i feel we can make up and be friends again, but its up to omni:)
im sorry to everyone that feels i was mean to them but it really was not like that, PM should stay PM, if i wanted to hurt a persons feelings i would have said it to that person of posted on there topic,
look to make up for this i want to do a awesome mix of everyones music including omnimaga, i do say things in anger sometimes, we all do, i was brought up tough, and to stand up for myself, i don't class myself as a weak minded or venerable person because of that, i have had it hard man, i have lived on the streets in the past for months, been is trouble with the cops, gone though lots of my friends being killed, and 3 good friend in the last few years, and the shit has made me hard, but i still keep my feet on the ground and try my best to treat people how i would like to be treated, now im a different person, and i have made it good, i have a great girlfriend amazing friends a nice place to live, and all the important things in life.. so this to me is quite small on the scale of what i have been though in the past and is easy for me to forgive and forget, because things could be much worse.
again sorry, and a personal sorry to omni if i have hurt your feelings, can we end this now please?
peace quade77
well said!
I've been stressing, debating, fighting, begging, doing all I can all day to end this... and I have to say, well said Quade, thanks for not making me fight in vain.
Hi Quade,
I never wanted this to happen either. Until three days ago, everything was going fine and we didn't had any problem. There was the smug issue that I discovered the day of your first ban but this was solved (I warned Audioghost to try not doing it again, though, especially since your comment was not even bad, but it was the first time where I seen such comment from him). I never realised a simple savefile filter would have brought up such issue. I simply did it to make the song showcase more uniform, because I did notice a lot of old songs leading to 404 Not Found error (If you check Redmispete songs I believe there's quite a lot of these there, too) and I wanted to make sure people can listen to everything no matter what internet browser he uses. But this wasn't appreciated, so afterward seeing this caused so much ordeal I simply reenabled savefile. Afterward, I edited the "How to upload files" topic, though, recommending to use the built-in forum uploader. I apologise for the trouble this might have or have caused for you, pillage and with the DJ mix.
As for the PM thing, I didn't realised it would be seen as such a bad thing, since I have access to PMs in the first place and most forums even have a report PM button. I just did it so that people know that bashing members in their back was against the forum rules, PM or not, but this was not appreciated. Maybe I should just have changed the names and posted some fake anonymous PM as example of what's not allowed, but Idk, maybe this wouldn't have been right either. Anyway, I am sorry for the trouble this have caused too. personally I don,t hate you and have always been willing to accept any apology coming from you. I was just worried because every single move I did on the forums since Feb 19th were looked upon by almost everyone, and this makes me questionned about if my work on the site is really appreciated anymore like it used to by everyone. I didn't felt welcome anymore either, which is why I closed the site. I was so pissed that I went out of my bounds and flooded your guestbook, which I should never have done, and I apologise for that. I have a serious problem controlling myself sometimes when I feel attacked and have been working on this for the past 17 years alerady.
JCW and AUdioghost convinced me to bring it back up and I did, but afterward I seriously felt even less welcome. I am glad that you don't hate me, personally I didn't hate you. I was just angry at how this turned out and wished this could have been solved. I wish this never happened and I think I am never going to be able to escape it now, since The Lyricist and Nakamura won't give up badmouthing me about the PM. I also feel that I do not deserve to run this forum anymore, because from what I saw, I do not have the skills to do so anymore. Every move was criticized, no matter how hard I tried, so why should I bother anymore? This is why I decided to apologise to you in public as well, not just in private, but there are chances that this might be my last post ever on the forums.
I hope we can be friend again and eventually move on from this set of mistakes I did. I do also hope people can forgive me for what I did. I hope people can forgive anything bad quade might have did (if any) and same for every other members.
have to say me and omni have been speaking by PM and the last post and the one i sent before where also PMs but i sure he wont mind as its all good in the hood now, this was also a PM but ill let you guys see it so you know we are cool now,
thats cool man , i totally understand what you are saying, and im sure we can sort this out, you need to know that everyone loves what you have done for the music series, and the work you put in to the site, i for one thinks you are a very talented person and have always said that to you and others before, we are from different worlds by the sounds of things with what we have been though in the past,
but life gos on, no point in hating, ive had enough hurt in my life and don't feel the need to have it here too, im a bit sad about my web site i must say, it took me a very long time to learn how to make a site of my own as i don't have a clue what im doing and the skills that you do, lol but hey you was angry and needed to vent it on me and i can understand that, don't worry i forgive you, and hope you forgive me, what don't break you makes you stronger, thats what i think,
dont suppose you know a way i can sort my guest book out do you? as i have no clue,lol
peace as always steve
Thank god it's over. Thank god. I just wanted you guys to make up and it's been done. *Screams into a pillow*
Just to let everybody know I`ve now re-uploaded all my songs directly to the forums (except "Sadness Through The Strobe Lights" which was too big and had to be uploaded to Mediafire instead).
Whilst going through them all I came across two songs which I won`t be re-uploading at all, so could you delete them for me please Omni?
They are "Victorious" (Techno/Trance) and "Scream" (Ambient/Other).
Cheers.
Glad to know things are being patched up. I kinda missed the whole thing* to begin with so my views are a little different to most others here
(*I guess you could say that was both a good thing and a bad thing; If I did witness the whole thing and the worst did happen, at least I'd know. >.>)
Quade, if Savefile's the only site that works for you, I recommend getting a Ripway account (http://www.ripway.com/). It's only a mere 30MB for a free one but you get much more with a paid one (that and you need to log in every month or so to keep your account if you have a free account - I learnt the hard way)
Ouch, NaN. Bet that wasn't fun.
thanks not a number, i will give it a try mate ;D, i will also try mega upload once again to get the PMV and Quade mix sorted, again thanks for your help :)
Quote from: JCW on February 23, 2009, 11:35:05 PM
Ouch, NaN. Bet that wasn't fun.
Well, it was back in 2006/2007 that it happened, and it was only 30MB of stuff that I still have on my PC.
I've had worse though: my site used to be on my old college webspace and they went and blocked it. D: But now I've got a 320GB external drive and a better webspace (sure it suffers from the odd downtime, but what doesn't? :P)
Was ripway also the file hosting to host php scripts? I remember you could test stuff there, but I,m unsure anymore.
I have been thinking several times while I increased the forum cap to increase it to 100 MB for a specific group of members, like those with 500+ posts, but I was worried the diskspace would still fill up quickly and the user would still be limited to 128 kbps bitrate for the actual mix. Actually, I might be able to upload a mod that limits the amount of diskspace for each members, though, but I'm unsure if it would work, plus it would suck since some members alerady uploaded so many songs. 120 GB may be a lot but at 1 GB per person it would fill up pretty quickly if people uploaded an incredible amount of mixes lol :D.
Omni, do you plan to move mine and Caspers, Quade/Pillages and your mixes into the new Mix Forum? I'd like to see those sorted, there's only a few mixes so it won't be too hard to track them down.
I'm planning to do this soon, as well as with the TIMGUL Rave mixes. I'll probably move most of what only includes Music Generator/2000/3000 songs there
Nah there's no way to increase it just for specific sub-forums. I could disallow larger uploads for other stuff but people would still upload bigger files anyway I'm sure. The only current work around is that I manually upload the mixes directly on the server and edit people posts with the new link then move them to the DJ mixes section
New cap is great, lots more freedom..
Also would love to see the mixes in the mix section, still got a couple to blast! Lovin'
Quote from: nakamura on February 24, 2009, 12:51:32 AM
Hmmm, i bet that takes time though.
uploading the file takes a while, altough since I upload it directly into the server I can alerady know the URL in advance since it won't be a sort of serial code like Youtube, so I can edit the post while it's uploading then click sumbit. The link will give an error but when the file will have finished uploading it will start working by itself
He means he can post a link in a topic before the file is uploaded so he can go off and do whatever and the topic will be ready for people to see and availible for download when the song has uploaded.
I was going to try mixing a few tunes on Ableton, but that program is one tough nut to crack!
I still haven't gotten the hang out of it, altough I'm going to still continue trying for a while, plus Quade mentionned his mix was done in it, meaning even more possibilities.
I'm still wanting to try what I wanted to try for a while with Music 2002, though, because I might have found a way to be able to use a joypad instead of keyboard, so if I am able to setup the keys to be as close as possible as the keys for Music 2000 PS1 on emulator this might make it easier for me to use.
Finally I get around the site again. :)
Had some busy last weeks with lots of exams and the so called "Facharbeit"...hell lot of work, glad it's all done and now I have an entire week to chill and be a lazy bone. ;D
Just wanted to say thanks to you Omnimaga for the increased upload cap. :) As many of my songs exceeded the old limit (and I didn't want to use a file-sharing site as the links just die after some time x.x), I'm very glad to be able to upload some more of my tunes in the future!
Best regards,
Symphony ~
Welcome back.
Welcome back :)
Thanks for the warm welcome mates. :D
No problem ;D