Hello all, just wanted to know what yr favourite samples are in MUSIC2000(europe) I guess MTV music generator for non europe, need some insperation for new tracks!! I have put links to over 40 of my tunes on my youtube page,(More to come,) perfect sound is now available..Running out of ideas, need snare samples, good melodies, Hi-Hats too..so everything I guess..
Some of mine include- PERCUSSION Short hiss,shaker drop,cheap open,hissy close,bright shake BEAT- floor it 3 SNARE- Vari closed 2,Military,909 snare 1,Thump n top BASS- Quicker,Distortion,Dual osc,Thudder,Grizzly 2 MELODY- Lowly,Soft key cl
Gonna attempt to start using MUSIC3000 too, so any suggestions welcome..Cheers
love...
melody
choral
alternate
sizzle lead
softkey
synstring
and a monster for bass in melody is static synth played low
bass
low pass
smooth
the boss
the king
dancer
grainy
percussion
meanstuff
techno
nine bright
nine short
longmute
LOVING the Boss and the KING!!! cheers for the ideas, my game is loaded right now
i find for the best trancey uplifting breakdowns...
synstring 3/4
sci fi which is great for a 'haunted sound'
twilight works well with sci fi
sweep reversed which is great for a more synthy sound
static synth played low for the bass
for each sample i change the note envolope so each note fades in...
these are the samples i used for 'another chance' and 'sunset chasers'.
of course lots of reverb (space).
also on music 2000 i loved sawtooth at sample rate 11 with a stereo effect.
played high up can sound similar to rank 1 etc.
Wicked, cheers, really need a nice melody for my remake of tune of hope. Try out some of those later, got the foundations down already but I can't seem to find the right melody..I love changing sample starts, fading in etc..whenever I use the reverb settings I can never tell the difference? I normally use echo BLB/Guitar or ML4 I think its called..thanks again, any more ideas would love to hear
@PIllagemyivillage what are the settings you use for space?
i only ever use space as reverb as most tracks i make are trance and im addicted to epic sounds! using the space setting gives emotion and dreamy depth.
when using music 2000 i alternated between space and studio c. i found studio c was excellent if you wanted a spacey reverb but toned down a bit.
anyway for sunset chasers and another chance i used space at 100 depth!
this may seem like too much!? but when i want an epic 'haunting' sound thats how much reverb i apply.
it wasnt just the strings and melody i apply the reverb to, its the percussion and bass too. but if i applied space at 100 to most samples it could be too much.
so when applying space to the bass... (no rhyme intended!)
1. i make the bass riff as i want (dancer is excellent for trance)
2. clone that bass riff
3. place the cloned bass riff next to the original bass riff
4. leave the original bass riff with no reverb
5. apply reverb to the cloned bass riff
6. play both bass riffs together and you should achieve a balance of reverb on the bass thus not making the reverb on the bass sound too over powering.
7. i also change the volume of both riffs so the bass is not too loud
8. if less reverb is required on the bass i simply change the volume on the non reverb bass riff to a higher setting and the volume on the reverb bass riff to a lower setting.
i also apply this method to the melody.
with percussion i might only apply the reverb to one hi hat in each bar so it is not too over powering.
if i use several percussion riffs and use reverb on a few odd notes it sounds alot better to me (more depth).
a classic riff for me is using a human 'clap' sample, place as normal (on the 2nd and 4th beat) and apply reverb to the first 'clap' but not the second. sounds very good especially with trance.
in previous tracks, for example busted up drum and bass version i only use space at about 40 and only apply to the melody. i guess this is because its drum and bass and i dont want too much emotion only big beats and bass!
so space at 100 seems far too much but if im making an epic track and apply the techniques as described above the track can be lifted and not sound too flat.
just thought... eighty at sample rate 11 played high up sounds awesome as a melody even though its in the bass section.
also window or window 2 are very good for bass and sound very similar to the bass used in some trance tracks made today! again played higher up sounds good.
if 1 line of bass is played low and the other (maybe loaded at a lower sample rate) is played higher, in the same key, the effect is a very good sounding bass!
in the bass section... any of the 'nasty' samples played very (very) low can sound like a helicopter..! try it, i reckon it would sound excellent for the start of a track or in a breakdown.
cant remember if music 2000 has it (i think it does) but try messing with the low pass filter on some melody samples as this can provide really cool messed up sounds!
another cool effect that is used in countless dance tracks is... choose a hi hat.
start the riff low down place each as normal (4 notes on each bar) but each note goes up 1 for 8 bars.
so you have 32 hi hat notes that, instead of all being played on 1 line (key) start on key g (1 octave below the c where you want your hi hat played eventually) and ends on c.
when the final note reaches its normally played destination you have a great sounding riff. the whole riff should look like a stair case!
do this with kickdrum, hihat and human each riff for 8 bars and place before your main tune kicks in and it sounds awesome. like an evolving build up!
hope that makes sense!!
Having loads of fun with all these sounds, adding the samples i'm using to my latest vids on youtube so if anyone wants to make a remix of a tune you've heard, feel free..still need more ideas though!!
http://www.mtv-music-generator.com/mtvmgsamples.avi (http://www.mtv-music-generator.com/xlib/mtvmgsamples.avi)
this is the samples used in A new world to discover and Timgul songs
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I think it doesn't load in Opera though so I would recommend using Mozilla Firefox of Microshit Internet Exploder
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i love it! makes me laugh every time i see it :lol:
It's funny 'cause it's true. :P
Me, I'm very much more in the Rock section, and I usually use the hihats pieces of the Rockbeat 1a/b and 2a/b (though I haven't used the Rockbeat Fill ones yet)
Getting really frustrated lately, probably 'cos i'm too tired and I shouldn't even be tryin' to write tunes at the times that I do..so I reckon I am gonna try out some pre-made riffs and alter to suit my needs...sayin' that, went into guitar riffs(MUSIC2000) found a sample called POWER, WOW..very cool, didn't suit my tune though..shame <_<
yeah pre made riffs are cool to modify if youre low on ideas...
i found that by loading one of the demo tracks and analysing the riffs created really helps learn new techniques and give ideas!
for music 2000 the track by leftfield has some brilliant percussion which uses techniques i had no idea existed!
that leftfield track is cool, constant goodness..
I use.....
Bass-
FLATT ( The Synth I Always Use :P )
Square
Light Fizz 1 & 2 (Makes good house tracks)
Nasty two
Melody-
Hard Boys ( From Trashcan )
Sizzlead
Sizzpad
Organ-
Spacey
Percussion-
Military ( Played low as in The Faktory and The Beasts Night Club )
909 Open Hat
Floor It 1
Mover
Nineteen (Played low)
Typer ( As in my newest song Iron House )
Big Synth ( Played Low makes a machine gun sound. As in Pissed Off Robots)
Yay? :blink:
QuoteGetting really frustrated lately, probably 'cos i'm too tired and I shouldn't even be tryin' to write tunes at the times that I do..so I reckon I am gonna try out some pre-made riffs and alter to suit my needs...sayin' that, went into guitar riffs(MUSIC2000) found a sample called POWER, WOW..very cool, didn't suit my tune though..shame <_<
Power? Which section's that in? I've just been using the Distorted Sustain string samples (which from a rock point of view aren't very good)
I discovered that Sizzle Sweep 11 KHz combined with Syn Brass 44 KHz or 22 KHz makes quite an harsh synth sound
I use it for one of the melody in my new song called Void
YOI! Thanks for more sample ideas, as I put earlier on I have all the samples used for my tracks in my video descriptions, using lots of new ones..FUN!!
POWER sample is in Guitar-Distorted notes..Very deep!
Writing a newer version of Sting of Tellus, it has 11 melody samples including BASS, but think I will try to incorporate some of these new ideas..still need to find that killer string
Still searching for really good strings, 1 thing I can't seem to crack ???
More fave samples :
Beat - Philter,Huge,Mean stuff,click
Snare - pitzz,tight shorts,jazz,jazz dry,909 snare 2
percussion- super tight,shaking,tams
bass - fazer,sizzler,tellus,warm note/synth,triangle,thudder,synth fm,soft three
Melody - sizzpad,reverberance,techno synth,tinker bell,borge square. Anything with sizzle or sizz... :D
MUSIC2000 samples these are, any more..stick 'em up
Strings usually work best when they're played as a chord, usually 3 or 4 played at once. Look at the string riffs in HARD (Music 2000)
I always use the "C5" string when needed.
excellent will check that out later, cheers bud
true they sounds weird when played alone. Even when I use syn brass, synth pad and alternate as strings I try to combine them so it sounds better
listening to HARD, gonna use some of those samples..syn string c3 sounds cool also I think the beat n snare would work well in me tunes.cheers for the heads up
The beat n snare sound great, but still the strings sound a little dodgy. I think a NEW topic needs to be started on string construction, checked out HARD,(one of the loaded tunes on the MUSIC2000 disc.) the strings on there sound good but the way they r made I don't understand where to put the dual notes. It has one continual note then some others around it, I have noticed this on other tunes but I just don't get it ???
2 chords played on different scales that sound good together, dual effect is great. STUCK!
Yeah, it would be a nice idea. I can do some good stuff with strings sometimes, but I wish I was as good as Pillagemyvillage for that x.x
Quote from: pillagemyvillage on January 18, 2008, 07:22:34 PM
i find for the best trancey uplifting breakdowns...
sweep reversed which is great for a more synthy sound
stupid question, what d'ya mean reversed? Part from the obvious
i think he means through sample editor. You edit the sample so it's backwards. However it won't be very reliable in Music 2000 because by doing so you will most likely fill up the entire memory only with that sample and the song will not even fit on a memory card, even if it's empty
ok strings...
i always always use a string sequence in my tunes because of my trance roots....
here are my fav strings and how i constuct them...
first and formost i always set reverb to space 40+ but maybe no higher than 60/70. this will give string breakdowns/intros a more dreamy sound (essential in trance).
i sometimes have a track with space reverb set at around 30/40 so any reverb on percussion and bass will not be too overpowering... then when i get to the breakdown when the strings/melody come in i increase the reverb gradually from 30/40 to 60/70 over 8 bars.
then before the tune kicks back in i gradually decrease the reverb from 60/70 back to 30/40 over 8 bars.
in order to not notice to much of a change in sound a drumroll/snare roll with cymbals and percussion helps...
i use this technique in breaks (when melody/strings come in) and breakdowns...
using reverb like this gives the breaks and breakdowns alot more emotion and a more dream like sound.
syn string 4
always my fav... i load at 44.
i place the notes on or around the middle c (depending on what key your track is in, mine are usually c).
i then copy and paste those notes an octave below. i now have 2 sets of the same notes, 1 set on middle c and the other in c below.
i then usually change the note pan envelope. i put top set of notes through the left speaker at 50% and the bottom set through the right speaker at 50% to gain a balance.
most importantly i change all the of the notes, note volume envelope.
i increase the x axis to 1 or 2 seconds. this is because if a note plays at its default value of 1/4 second the string cuts of too soon when changing to the next note.
if you have a string note placed in c, then the next note placed in b the change from c to b is to short and cuts of too soon.
if you increase the note volume envelope to 1 second the c note plays on for 1 second when the note has finished.
so if you play strings c to b with a increased x axis of 1 second the c note fades into the b note giving a much better more natural sound.
ok so you have 2 sets of the same notes 1 on middle c and then the other on the c below.
you have changed the note pan envelope of each set (left and right).
you have increased the x axis of the note volume envelope to 1/2 seconds.
now the strings should have alot more depth.
finally if required i change the offset of each note to the fuller part of the string. doing this means you hear the string from the start of each note rather than fading in which is what happens with syn string (just check the offset!) particually when played on a lower key.
to combat the sharpness of each note you can chance the note volume envelope to slightly fade in (only slightly otherwise it would be pointless changing the offset). like long release but with a slight fade at the start.
my god i hope all of that made sense!?
so basically with all of this above i, for example, have string notes c, a, f. i copy and paste these 3 notes an octave below... 6 notes in all... should sound fuller and more emotional...
for string bass you can use syn string c4 played very low or my fav static synth...
this note played low is awesome...
if you apply all of the above it sounds awesome.
i usually have 2 notes for this. for example 1 in c played really low and then 1 an octave above played slightly higher.
this way the string is not too low and has a better balance along with a more powerful sound.
sweep reversed has a more synthy sound which is great for string layers.
you reverse in the sample editior and then change the offset until you get the required starting sound.
then apply all of the above.
to maintain a consistant synthy sound you may want to have the note play over 2 notes and then copy and past over the next 2 notes to make 1 bar. so you have 2 notes one after the other to make up 1 bar.
this way you dont have the note evolve over its entire sound and lose its synthiness.
so youre repeating the start of the note over and over to maintain its sound.
so for all strings i pretty much use the techniques as described above...
other compliments to strings are...
twilight
sci fi
choral
alternate
sizzlelead
maybe soon i will post a tutorial, if i can work out how to do it with sound... :D
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just saw the size of the post :D
making a tune later probly, will have this as my guide 8)
EDIT- cheers DJ Omnimaga, is that where you load a sample and then press R1 or edit sample (o) and it goes to the cut/trim etc screen
wow awesome tutorial, It might be helpful since I started messing around with MTVMG2 again (and alerady did a song in 7 hours). Thanks a lot for posting this :)
EDIT: @147 Crew: Yeah that's what I mean. With inverting samples it works well actually. With the high pass and low pass filters it didn't worked too well if I remember though, but it could have been because of my emulator or limited sound RAM
I like Alternate played at octave 2 (or 3 if loaded at 44 KHz) with space reverb at at least 40, it creates a rather hard bass string
I never use the reverb settings at the Song Creator screen; the sound quality never seems to change for me, no matter what I change the values to.
well if you are using the PC Music 2000 reverb is shit on it. Sound is mono, like in Music 3000 on the PS2. Even the upgraded version I got with purple screen still produce mono reverb effect. I guess back then sound cards didn't handled complex sounds effects well. In the Playstation version of Music 2000 sound quality is much better (except if you use a small Playstation 2 model, on which, for some reasons notes get missed during playback if there's too many playing at once and reverb doesn,t works at all until you play song, go back to riff editor, play, exit and repeat process until it works fine for good), and in MTVMG2 it's about the same, altough maybe slightly better.
Creating a tune Trance V Dnb and tryin' to make a cool string part. i.e Pillage 'Sunset Chasers' & 'Another Chance' Reading the guide but what the hell is middle c ???
I'm looking at loads of squares with numbers, no letters :D
I sort of understand but not at the same time, would really sound good in me tune 'cos right now it stinks.
using syn string c4, twilight & scifi. Might upload what I have then maybe someone can remix for me 8)
Drums
Hardcore 3
Nineteen
Kickdrum 4
Techno
Bodybaggertk
Snare
909 Snare 1
Edgehitter2
Hi-Hat
Bright
1980 Closed
Good Snick
Dribble
Pbend Close
Toms
Deluded Tom
Bass
Pulse Width
Otonebas1 e
Acrostring
Warmchord 2
Melody
Acid Two
Chordals
Ambikorder1
Breath Bell
Breath Pulse
Fullmonty
Majestic
Vocals
Ooooh 011
Ahhhh 001
I'll add more another time
Nice1! don't recognize some of those, which programme you on again ???
String attempt is complete, upload once I listen proper. 3 styles, added some breakbeat at the end. HUGE sub :D
Make sure it doesn't distort violently first
More MELODY/BASS samples-
bowow
dancer- string part
low string
twilight- string part
scifi- string part
sizzlead
low sweep
syn string c4- string part
sub square
sawtooth
Really hard dnb into soft melodic trance,(hopefully.) finishing with breakbeat. Fun. 8)
Tried to follow the tutorial best I could. :P
Music 3000, occasionally 2000/Generator 1
Very nice music creation...